Comments on: Bad Sinatra http://gesturelab.com/?p=61 Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:23:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.1 By: Marc Orchant http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6262 Marc Orchant Fri, 22 Dec 2006 15:55:47 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6262 Great stuff Steve! Especially the last sentence. Great stuff Steve! Especially the last sentence.

]]> By: John Mayer http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6265 John Mayer Fri, 22 Dec 2006 17:30:16 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6265 I just realized that you write just like Andrew Vachss. If you haven't read any of his Burke novels, you should. I believe that you would become addicted. I just realized that you write just like Andrew Vachss. If you haven’t read any of his Burke novels, you should. I believe that you would become addicted.

]]> By: Mike Ferris http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6266 Mike Ferris Fri, 22 Dec 2006 18:22:42 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6266 This is one epic post. I had to read it three times - it was that good. So much entertainment and relevant. Where have you been. Wherever it has been keep on doing it. This post rocks. It is clear that there is a ton of action going on. Keep it coming. This is one epic post. I had to read it three times - it was that good. So much entertainment and relevant. Where have you been. Wherever it has been keep on doing it. This post rocks.

It is clear that there is a ton of action going on. Keep it coming.

]]> By: Blowhard Lover http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6272 Blowhard Lover Fri, 22 Dec 2006 19:29:43 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6272 Ever heard of links? Ever heard of links?

]]> By: Dave Winer http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6280 Dave Winer Fri, 22 Dec 2006 22:22:06 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6280 Great stuff. You're right, I have no idea what comes next. The Google API post was meant to be a soft fart, and the JSON post, well, I was surprised so many people paid any attention. I'd love to do the personal podcast player. Maybe that's what's next. Let's do a breakfast asap to discuss. Great stuff. You’re right, I have no idea what comes next. The Google API post was meant to be a soft fart, and the JSON post, well, I was surprised so many people paid any attention. I’d love to do the personal podcast player. Maybe that’s what’s next. Let’s do a breakfast asap to discuss.

]]> By: Jonathan Schwartz http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6301 Jonathan Schwartz Sat, 23 Dec 2006 04:26:15 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6301 Happy Holidays, Steve. Now, what part of what I wrote did you take issue with? And which blog - this? http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/i_believe_in_network_clients Happy Holidays, Steve. Now, what part of what I wrote did you take issue with? And which blog - this?

http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/i_believe_in_network_clients

]]> By: Marcus B http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6321 Marcus B Sat, 23 Dec 2006 07:38:29 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6321 " Oh, and Microsoft, you guys better step up right now and cut this RSS patent cancer out before we do it without anesthesia. " -- step up right now and cut this ?! :) Were that to happen I think I'd go out and buy an X-Box. I cannot believe that MS would stop going and getting these arsenine patents that they do any more than I can believe that Donald Trump would stop liking money, and ...plotting?... [more] ways to make it... Nor that Rosie O'Donnel would stop being a comedic person, making jokes, even joking about Rich People that aren't as rich as they might like to be, or perhaps as rich as we think/thought they are/were. Nor that the Donald would take offense to Rosie making impolite joking? conversation about himself and seeing her words as potential opportunity to make more money for himself. Battling for top marketshare and making money/ ?maximizing profits? is for Microsoft like breathing air for you and I. And going for any [?even painfully obvious/prior art?] patents are just part of this game for them. I think asking them to stop doing these things, even when we can see that some instances of them appear to be pretty outrageous/ridiculous/ludicrous to us would be like asking them to stop breathing for 20 minutes. I just don't see them doing it. Maybe, just Maaayybeee, they'd back off of an obviously ridiculous case like this, if enough people pointed enough fingers at them and essentially said, "Hey!, do you really have to be THAT much of a Jerk?!?". Maybe. but I won't be holding MY breath for THAT. P.S. is it just me, or when you said "Microsoft’s market standards into a commodity" you meant to put: "Microsoft markets standards into a commodity" or perhaps better yet: "Microsoft markets standards into commodities" I can see that there's a lot of meat in this piece here so you are forgiven this slihgt tpyographical slip. And even though I only really get roundabout half of it, I can follow much of the sentiment-and-gist of it, and I must agree with Mike Ferris -- It Rocks. It rocks like a Dennis Miller tirade when he was in his comedic prime. Although I watch him so little these days, I cannot say when or if he has left his comedic prime. In the words of Cartman; That was Sweeeet! ”
Oh, and Microsoft, you guys better step up right now and cut this RSS patent cancer out before we do it without anesthesia.
”
–

step up right now and cut this ?! :)

Were that to happen I think I’d go out and buy an X-Box.

I cannot believe that MS would stop going and getting these arsenine patents that they do any more than I can believe that Donald Trump would stop liking money, and …plotting?… [more] ways to make it…

Nor that Rosie O’Donnel would stop being a comedic person, making jokes, even joking about Rich People that aren’t as rich as they might like to be, or perhaps as rich as we think/thought they are/were.

Nor that the Donald would take offense to Rosie making impolite joking? conversation about himself and seeing her words as potential opportunity to make more money for himself.

Battling for top marketshare and making money/ ?maximizing profits? is for Microsoft like breathing air for you and I. And going for any [?even painfully obvious/prior art?] patents are just part of this game for them. I think asking them to stop doing these things, even when we can see that some instances of them appear to be pretty outrageous/ridiculous/ludicrous
to us would be like asking them to stop breathing for 20 minutes. I just don’t see them doing it. Maybe, just Maaayybeee, they’d back off of an obviously ridiculous case like this, if enough people pointed enough fingers at them and essentially said, “Hey!, do you really have to be THAT much of a Jerk?!?”. Maybe. but I won’t be holding MY breath for THAT.

P.S.

is it just me, or when you said

“Microsoft’s market standards into a commodity”

you meant to put:

“Microsoft markets standards into a commodity”

or perhaps better yet:

“Microsoft markets standards into commodities”

I can see that there’s a lot of meat in this piece here

so you are forgiven this slihgt tpyographical slip.

And even though I only really get roundabout half of it,

I can follow much of the sentiment-and-gist of it, and

I must agree with Mike Ferris — It Rocks.

It rocks like a Dennis Miller tirade when he was in his

comedic prime. Although I watch him so little these days,

I cannot say when or if he has left his comedic prime.

In the words of Cartman; That was Sweeeet!

]]> By: Matt Gifford http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6358 Matt Gifford Sat, 23 Dec 2006 09:28:35 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6358 Blowhard: Sounds like you need to go back to Gillmorology 101. That's where we learned that links, much like Office and the pageview business model, are dead. Blowhard: Sounds like you need to go back to Gillmorology 101. That’s where we learned that links, much like Office and the pageview business model, are dead.

]]> By: Danny http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6466 Danny Sat, 23 Dec 2006 14:01:31 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6466 "What to do next?" I'd suggest getting on with filling in the egregriously <a href="http://dannyayers.com/2004/07/missingwebs.htm" rel="nofollow">missing bits</a> of the current web, primarily taking advantage of linked (!) data, not just documents/feeds. Useful whatever format you want to talk about, for fat and thin clients, and I'd suggest something as a prerequisite for useful gesture systems. In short: Semantic Web. “What to do next?”
I’d suggest getting on with filling in the egregriously missing bits of the current web, primarily taking advantage of linked (!) data, not just documents/feeds. Useful whatever format you want to talk about, for fat and thin clients, and I’d suggest something as a prerequisite for useful gesture systems. In short: Semantic Web.

]]> By: ezedze http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6468 ezedze Sat, 23 Dec 2006 14:32:15 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6468 joel has put in some effort to explain what this post means. Here: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/12/23.html joel has put in some effort to explain what this post means. Here: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/12/23.html

]]> By: Anonymous http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6469 Anonymous Sat, 23 Dec 2006 14:50:06 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6469 Wow, I can't understand a thing you wrote. You must be really smart. Either that, or my English teachers were right when they said smart people can articulate ideas so others can understand them. Wow, I can’t understand a thing you wrote. You must be really smart.

Either that, or my English teachers were right when they said smart people can articulate ideas so others can understand them.

]]> By: Ambush Commander http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6472 Ambush Commander Sat, 23 Dec 2006 16:44:51 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6472 Joel Spolsky has a less than glowing detailed commentary on the post here: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/12/23.html Joel Spolsky has a less than glowing detailed commentary on the post here: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/12/23.html

]]> By: Hazy Notions » Blog Archive » Bad Sinatra - the revised english version http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6473 Hazy Notions » Blog Archive » Bad Sinatra - the revised english version Sat, 23 Dec 2006 17:12:08 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6473 [...] As noted by Joel, Steve Gillmor makes so many obscure references that it is impossible to read his posts and understand anything. I read his latest post, Bad Sinatra, and felt he must be saying something important but I couldn’t make head or tale of anything. So coming in to help us lay people out is Joel with a translation of the post. Thanks Joel, your revised version really cleared the post up for me. [...] […] As noted by Joel, Steve Gillmor makes so many obscure references that it is impossible to read his posts and understand anything. I read his latest post, Bad Sinatra, and felt he must be saying something important but I couldn’t make head or tale of anything. So coming in to help us lay people out is Joel with a translation of the post. Thanks Joel, your revised version really cleared the post up for me. […]

]]> By: Dave Winer http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6477 Dave Winer Sat, 23 Dec 2006 18:08:43 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6477 I just sent Joel an email: <blockquote>You read my second piece on JSON incorrectly. It is being presented as a basis for interop and a reinvention of XML, not by everyone, but definitely in the context in which I stumbled across it. It's a bad idea, and I stand behind my first piece. Sorry for the confusion, but if you want your interpretation of Steve Gillmor to be correct, you need to make a change yourself, gracefully I hope. :-) </blockquote> I just sent Joel an email:

You read my second piece on JSON incorrectly. It is being presented as a basis for interop and a reinvention of XML, not by everyone, but definitely in the context in which I stumbled across it. It’s a bad idea, and I stand behind my first piece. Sorry for the confusion, but if you want your interpretation of Steve Gillmor to be correct, you need to make a change yourself, gracefully I hope. :-)

]]> By: the state of fluxt » Blog Archive » Gillmor http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6478 the state of fluxt » Blog Archive » Gillmor Sat, 23 Dec 2006 18:18:02 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6478 [...] Today, Joel Spolsky - probably the greatest technology writer in this generation, as well as apparently being one of the greatest managers, developers and entreprenuers - takes a Steve Gillmor blog post and unpacks it for us.  His intention at the outset was merely to expose the value of Gillmor’s thoughts, if only he would take the time to do some unpacking himself, and maybe sprinkle in a few links. In the end, he also exposes the damning fact that Gillmor doesn’t even understand what he is saying himself, but is relying on opacity and a hostile attitude to trick readers into believing his unsubstantiated accusations have some merit.  Which is too bad, because I think if Steve Gillmor did take the time to examine his own writing a bit more critically, he would eventually strike on pure gold.  The man is clearly intelligent and creative.  The pundit gets paid by the word I suppose though, so the product gets diluted and then who knows what to think of what he says without taking the 3 hours to unpack it all themselves. [...] […] Today, Joel Spolsky - probably the greatest technology writer in this generation, as well as apparently being one of the greatest managers, developers and entreprenuers - takes a Steve Gillmor blog post and unpacks it for us.  His intention at the outset was merely to expose the value of Gillmor’s thoughts, if only he would take the time to do some unpacking himself, and maybe sprinkle in a few links. In the end, he also exposes the damning fact that Gillmor doesn’t even understand what he is saying himself, but is relying on opacity and a hostile attitude to trick readers into believing his unsubstantiated accusations have some merit.  Which is too bad, because I think if Steve Gillmor did take the time to examine his own writing a bit more critically, he would eventually strike on pure gold.  The man is clearly intelligent and creative.  The pundit gets paid by the word I suppose though, so the product gets diluted and then who knows what to think of what he says without taking the 3 hours to unpack it all themselves. […]

]]> By: Paul Andrews http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6486 Paul Andrews Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:15:51 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6486 Oh I don't know...I understood everything except the Sinatra reference and Joel didn't explain that one! Oh I don’t know…I understood everything except the Sinatra reference and Joel didn’t explain that one!

]]> By: Simon Brocklehurst's Weblog http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6488 Simon Brocklehurst's Weblog Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:47:31 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6488 <strong>Bad Sammy Davis Jr.</strong> Steve Gillmor has a problem. Me. Not really. But, I read his blog today oh boy… I have to confess, I enjoy Steve’s writing, even though I find it really hard to understand… Anyway, I think I got some of it after three or four readi... Bad Sammy Davis Jr.

Steve Gillmor has a problem. Me. Not really. But, I read his blog today oh boy…
I have to confess, I enjoy Steve’s writing, even though I find it really hard to understand… Anyway, I think I got some of it after three or four readi…

]]> By: Dave Winer http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6491 Dave Winer Sat, 23 Dec 2006 21:30:05 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6491 Whether you understand Gillmor or not may depend on whether you took literature courses in college, and took them seriously. His writing is excellent, high quality stuff, but not easy. You have to actually read it to get it, and it might help to read the sites he reads (which I do, and I write one of them). My guess is that the Bad Sinatra reference has to do with something I had on SN a while back about "my way" and the silhouette of Sinatra and Sammy Davis I had on one of the pieces he was writing about. But like all good art, and Steve's writing is good art (he'll deny it of course) it's all in the viewing. I think even Spolsky would admit that one rabbi might see it one way and another, a different way altogether. Whether you understand Gillmor or not may depend on whether you took literature courses in college, and took them seriously. His writing is excellent, high quality stuff, but not easy. You have to actually read it to get it, and it might help to read the sites he reads (which I do, and I write one of them).

My guess is that the Bad Sinatra reference has to do with something I had on SN a while back about “my way” and the silhouette of Sinatra and Sammy Davis I had on one of the pieces he was writing about.

But like all good art, and Steve’s writing is good art (he’ll deny it of course) it’s all in the viewing. I think even Spolsky would admit that one rabbi might see it one way and another, a different way altogether.

]]> By: Paul Andrews http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6492 Paul Andrews Sat, 23 Dec 2006 21:43:42 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6492 I thought it might be to "more comebacks than..." but Steve says no. I like Dave's explanation though! I thought it might be to “more comebacks than…” but Steve says no. I like Dave’s explanation though!

]]> By: Danny http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6494 Danny Sat, 23 Dec 2006 23:35:13 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6494 I just saw <a href="http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/12/23.html" rel="nofollow">Spolsky's post</a>, funny, complimentary because it's complementary (or is it the other way around?). Wonderful to see the contrast with another highly stylistic blogger. Where Steve plays the obscurity angle, Joel plays plain & simple. Both styles are painted thick, both usually deal with arcana. This post in particular reads as a wonderful <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stream_of_consciousness" rel="nofollow">stream of consciousness</a>, only making sense if you spend way too much time following stories from <a href="http://www.techmeme.com/" rel="nofollow">techmeme</a>. But that's also the one major criticism I'd lay at Steve's door - if the reader isn't familiar with the references, this stuff is gibberish, at best clever-clever <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_valley" rel="nofollow">Valley</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati" rel="nofollow">illuminati</a> material. If there were links it would be possible to make sense, without having to live in the <a href="http://scoble.weblogs.com/blogparody.htm" rel="nofollow">A-list</a>'s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underpants" rel="nofollow">underpants</a>. <a href="http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkLaw.html" rel="nofollow">Links</a> help <a href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/communication" rel="nofollow">communication</a>. Re. "<a href="http://www.sandiegoserenade.com/2006/05/bad_sinatra_vol_1.html" rel="nofollow">Bad Sinatra</a>" - I took it as saying Jonathan Schwartz is like Sinatra, a popular, iconic singer, known for some classy ditties. But like Sinatra, he's also produced his share of turkeys. Could well be wrong though - that obscurity thing again, have to have a bit of ambiguity. I just saw Spolsky’s post, funny, complimentary because it’s complementary (or is it the other way around?). Wonderful to see the contrast with another highly stylistic blogger. Where Steve plays the obscurity angle, Joel plays plain & simple. Both styles are painted thick, both usually deal with arcana.

This post in particular reads as a wonderful stream of consciousness, only making sense if you spend way too much time following stories from techmeme. But that’s also the one major criticism I’d lay at Steve’s door - if the reader isn’t familiar with the references, this stuff is gibberish, at best clever-clever Valley illuminati material. If there were links it would be possible to make sense, without having to live in the A-list’s underpants. Links help communication.

Re. “Bad Sinatra” - I took it as saying Jonathan Schwartz is like Sinatra, a popular, iconic singer, known for some classy ditties. But like Sinatra, he’s also produced his share of turkeys. Could well be wrong though - that obscurity thing again, have to have a bit of ambiguity.

]]> By: Frank Sinatra http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6506 Frank Sinatra Sun, 24 Dec 2006 04:03:53 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6506 I will say that Gillmor has the best post that I've read since I started following the blogosphere. Joel does the total public service. I suggest that we do a open source translation of Steve Gillmor. We rotate the translation among the best bloggers who think that they are worthy of getting it. I will say that Joel did an amazing job. Thank you Joel. Steve your post was great. It was gibberish until I read it a few times. The meanings and gestures were endless and relevant. Who will be worthy to translate the next post? Who will step up? I hope someone will. I will say that Gillmor has the best post that I’ve read since I started following the blogosphere. Joel does the total public service. I suggest that we do a open source translation of Steve Gillmor. We rotate the translation among the best bloggers who think that they are worthy of getting it. I will say that Joel did an amazing job. Thank you Joel. Steve your post was great. It was gibberish until I read it a few times. The meanings and gestures were endless and relevant.

Who will be worthy to translate the next post? Who will step up? I hope someone will.

]]> By: d.w. http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6511 d.w. Sun, 24 Dec 2006 05:02:51 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6511 <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulysses_%28novel%29" rel="nofollow">Ulysses</a> was better. Easier to read, too. Ulysses was better. Easier to read, too.

]]> By: Justin Lloyd http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6522 Justin Lloyd Sun, 24 Dec 2006 07:16:10 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6522 It made total sense to me in a single reading. I don't live in anybody's underpants. The only acronym I had to look up was JSON because I don't deal with any sort of web technology on a day-to-day basis. I don't agree with Gillmor's assessment but the underlying theme is sound and reasoned. Only time will shake out who is correct. So hurry up and wait already. Stumbled on this post because I usually read Spolsky about once a month and wanted to see what all the brouhaha was about. I disagree with Spolsky's analysis and conclusion. I also got bored with Spolsky's deconstruction after the second quoted Gillmor paragraph and decided to just come and read the original. It made total sense to me in a single reading. I don’t live in anybody’s underpants. The only acronym I had to look up was JSON because I don’t deal with any sort of web technology on a day-to-day basis. I don’t agree with Gillmor’s assessment but the underlying theme is sound and reasoned. Only time will shake out who is correct. So hurry up and wait already. Stumbled on this post because I usually read Spolsky about once a month and wanted to see what all the brouhaha was about. I disagree with Spolsky’s analysis and conclusion. I also got bored with Spolsky’s deconstruction after the second quoted Gillmor paragraph and decided to just come and read the original.

]]> By: Randy Maugans http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6607 Randy Maugans Mon, 25 Dec 2006 09:54:53 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6607 So---like Joel Spolsky provides a Steve Gilmor lexicon? Ahhh! linkless linking through serialized blog chains: shifting from Jason Calacanis' Weblog to Scripting News->RSS CalacanisCast (Beta)---cross- link TechCrunch---LOOP. Think Variety c.early 60's tagging "Rat Pack" meme. Uh, WHO'S Sammy? IS Joey Bishop on...? So—like Joel Spolsky provides a Steve Gilmor lexicon? Ahhh! linkless linking through serialized blog chains: shifting from Jason Calacanis’ Weblog to Scripting News->RSS CalacanisCast (Beta)—cross- link TechCrunch—LOOP.

Think Variety c.early 60’s tagging “Rat Pack” meme. Uh, WHO’S Sammy?
IS Joey Bishop on…?

]]> By: Help, ik ben abnormaal — Michel Vuijlsteke's Weblog http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6662 Help, ik ben abnormaal — Michel Vuijlsteke's Weblog Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:23:39 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6662 [...] Ik begrijp al wat in deze entry bij Steven Gillmor staat. Ik vrees dat ik teveel weblogs lees. [...] […] Ik begrijp al wat in deze entry bij Steven Gillmor staat. Ik vrees dat ik teveel weblogs lees. […]

]]> By: lemon obrien http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6665 lemon obrien Tue, 26 Dec 2006 19:45:43 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6665 you're kinda being a dick to be a dick; and your writing is overly complex; as for thick clients....they are eating the browser's lunch...the real problem is the tech-press is browser centered cause of blogs; just like they'll always be Apple friendly b/c it makes them feel cooler, better than the average computer user. The world is changing, becoming decentralized...all the old metaphors of the web are dead. We just invented decentralized commerce...but you pissed cause your life is filled with boring press confrences. How about writing articles from the soldier's ppoint of view...none of the people you know, or are big, have a clue as to what the future holds. They're guessing; and now you're just complaining. you’re kinda being a dick to be a dick; and your writing is overly complex; as for thick clients….they are eating the browser’s lunch…the real problem is the tech-press is browser centered cause of blogs; just like they’ll always be Apple friendly b/c it makes them feel cooler, better than the average computer user. The world is changing, becoming decentralized…all the old metaphors of the web are dead. We just invented decentralized commerce…but you pissed cause your life is filled with boring press confrences. How about writing articles from the soldier’s ppoint of view…none of the people you know, or are big, have a clue as to what the future holds. They’re guessing; and now you’re just complaining.

]]> By: Militant Geek Custom Shirts » Blog Archive » Militant Geek: Rapid Fire - Post Presents, Pre Depression Edition http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6668 Militant Geek Custom Shirts » Blog Archive » Militant Geek: Rapid Fire - Post Presents, Pre Depression Edition Tue, 26 Dec 2006 21:38:56 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6668 [...] Joel Spolsky, software commentator grand-pu-ba, took it upon himself to figure out just what the heck Steve Gillmor is talking about in a recent post. Three hours and several decoder rings later Joel comes to the conclusion that Steve is blowing smoke. He then promptly unsubscribed from the RSS feed. [...] […] Joel Spolsky, software commentator grand-pu-ba, took it upon himself to figure out just what the heck Steve Gillmor is talking about in a recent post. Three hours and several decoder rings later Joel comes to the conclusion that Steve is blowing smoke. He then promptly unsubscribed from the RSS feed. […]

]]> By: Steve Irwin http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6699 Steve Irwin Wed, 27 Dec 2006 14:46:51 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6699 This post reads like crocodile feces... Everything that was previously consumed and passed on in a jumbled mess. This post reads like crocodile feces… Everything that was previously consumed and passed on in a jumbled mess.

]]> By: Real Traction for Tomorrow » On Bad Sinatra http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6708 Real Traction for Tomorrow » On Bad Sinatra Wed, 27 Dec 2006 21:29:06 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6708 [...] I mentioned Steve Yegge last week. Another infrequent poster who’s well worth reading is Steve Gillmor. His most recent Bad Sinatra post is a great example. He can be hard to read–especially if you don’t follow tech industry news and trends very closely–but there’s some great observations in the post and Steve’s spot on. rsi_pub = '0F6C5351519D1891B9E74DB865E30237'; rsi_site = '33C75F5545E0474F2F8B1B1463117087'; rsi_label ='jt'; rsi_new_window ='1'; rsi_width = '300'; rsi_height = '250'; rsi_color_border = 'ffffff'; rsi_color_cell = 'ffffff'; rsi_color_link = '000000'; rsi_color_text = '000000'; rsi_color_url = '808080'; I still hear from IT Conversations listeners that they miss the Gillmor Gang. Steve has a way of inciting (and that’s the right word, I think) conversations among people that wouldn’t happen otherwise and that’s the true value. As much as I enjoy Steve’s blog, I like his interactions with others in venues like the Gillmor Gang even better. Here’s to more Bad Sinatra. [...] […] I mentioned Steve Yegge last week. Another infrequent poster who’s well worth reading is Steve Gillmor. His most recent Bad Sinatra post is a great example. He can be hard to read–especially if you don’t follow tech industry news and trends very closely–but there’s some great observations in the post and Steve’s spot on. rsi_pub = ‘0F6C5351519D1891B9E74DB865E30237′; rsi_site = ‘33C75F5545E0474F2F8B1B1463117087′; rsi_label =’jt’; rsi_new_window =’1′; rsi_width = ‘300′; rsi_height = ‘250′; rsi_color_border = ‘ffffff’; rsi_color_cell = ‘ffffff’; rsi_color_link = ‘000000′; rsi_color_text = ‘000000′; rsi_color_url = ‘808080′; I still hear from IT Conversations listeners that they miss the Gillmor Gang. Steve has a way of inciting (and that’s the right word, I think) conversations among people that wouldn’t happen otherwise and that’s the true value. As much as I enjoy Steve’s blog, I like his interactions with others in venues like the Gillmor Gang even better. Here’s to more Bad Sinatra. […]

]]> By: John Taber http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6713 John Taber Wed, 27 Dec 2006 22:45:57 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6713 Fun reading. The style reminds me of a Joyce stream of consciousness. I guess you didn't get one of the souped up MS laptops. Fun reading. The style reminds me of a Joyce stream of consciousness. I guess you didn’t get one of the souped up MS laptops.

]]> By: Farewell, Google SOAP Search API http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6742 Farewell, Google SOAP Search API Thu, 28 Dec 2006 13:08:16 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6742 [...] Related posts: Brady Forrest over at ORielly Radar; Steve Gillmor’s rant; and Joel Spolosky’s talmudic analysis of Steve Gillmor Tags: brady forest, google, Mark Lucovsky, steve gillmor, yahoo [...] […] Related posts: Brady Forrest over at ORielly Radar; Steve Gillmor’s rant; and Joel Spolosky’s talmudic analysis of Steve Gillmor Tags: brady forest, google, Mark Lucovsky, steve gillmor, yahoo […]

]]> By: Better Living through Software » Blog Archive » I’m a liar too http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6793 Better Living through Software » Blog Archive » I’m a liar too Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:25:44 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6793 [...] Joel Spolsky demonstrates his exegetic prowess by analyzing a Gillmor missive. [...] […] Joel Spolsky demonstrates his exegetic prowess by analyzing a Gillmor missive. […]

]]> By: Expert Texture » Blog Archive » Good Lawford http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6800 Expert Texture » Blog Archive » Good Lawford Fri, 29 Dec 2006 21:54:16 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6800 [...] Steve breaks radio silence and admits he is a pooka (from Bad Sinatra). [...] […] Steve breaks radio silence and admits he is a pooka (from Bad Sinatra). […]

]]> By: Jacko http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6839 Jacko Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:32:33 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-6839 I think that your posts are (fake) gold. They are worth less than manure. I think that your posts are (fake) gold. They are worth less than manure.

]]> By: sockdrawer » Blog Archive » I miss the Gillmor Gang :( http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-8040 sockdrawer » Blog Archive » I miss the Gillmor Gang :( Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:52:59 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-8040 [...] Gillmor himself is still blogging occasionally. His latest post, Bad Sinatra is fairly characteristic - if you bother to read the comments, notice that you’re reading a conversation involving, among others, Jonathon Schwartz and Dave Winer. I speculate that ‘Bad Sinatra’ describes people who ‘did it my way’, rather than did the right thing….worth a read in any case. [...] […] Gillmor himself is still blogging occasionally. His latest post, Bad Sinatra is fairly characteristic - if you bother to read the comments, notice that you’re reading a conversation involving, among others, Jonathon Schwartz and Dave Winer. I speculate that ‘Bad Sinatra’ describes people who ‘did it my way’, rather than did the right thing….worth a read in any case. […]

]]> By: Web Strategy by Jeremiah » What does an Eight Foot Invisble Rabbit look like? http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-9346 Web Strategy by Jeremiah » What does an Eight Foot Invisble Rabbit look like? Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:35:56 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-9346 [...] Read this post first, you may need to read it again carefully, and then a third time over a glass of fine wine. As you know, Steve Gillmor went hiding, see video: [...] […] Read this post first, you may need to read it again carefully, and then a third time over a glass of fine wine. As you know, Steve Gillmor went hiding, see video: […]

]]> By: roberts10 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-10357 roberts10 Tue, 30 Jan 2007 03:27:32 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-10357 Steve, missing your podcast man.. where else can we find tech.com commentary in a debate format. Some of those info.nuggests were gold in between Mike Arrington fuzzy voip calls. Jason's gillmore gang impersonation doesn't do it justice. bring it forward twisted and new.. Steve, missing your podcast man.. where else can we find tech.com commentary in a debate format. Some of those info.nuggests were gold in between Mike Arrington fuzzy voip calls. Jason’s gillmore gang impersonation doesn’t do it justice. bring it forward twisted and new..

]]> By: Extraordinary Miscellany » Picking nits — rich or thick? http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-19368 Extraordinary Miscellany » Picking nits — rich or thick? Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:34:06 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-19368 [...] post — definitely an entertaining read, but actually kind of depressing. The jargon in Gillmore’s post was pretty dense, or so Joel implies, and he claims to have spent about three full hours [...] […] post — definitely an entertaining read, but actually kind of depressing. The jargon in Gillmore’s post was pretty dense, or so Joel implies, and he claims to have spent about three full hours […]

]]> By: Phillip Molly Malone http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-21019 Phillip Molly Malone Thu, 12 Apr 2007 06:25:18 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-21019 BRING BACK THE GANG! BRING BACK THE GANG!

]]> By: None of thosestars write their own songs. http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-29302 None of thosestars write their own songs. Wed, 30 May 2007 01:18:03 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-29302 <strong> There motives are political not scientific.</strong> I think KDE is more installed. We have the resources to do it, yet they are squandered by corrutpion and graft and no-bid contracts. There motives are political not scientific.

I think KDE is more installed. We have the resources to do it, yet they are squandered by corrutpion and graft and no-bid contracts.

]]> By: LoookTV http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-31617 LoookTV Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:04:28 +0000 http://gesturelab.com/?p=61#comment-31617 <strong>Steve Gillmor is a Discovery Engine</strong> Joel Spolsky, a software innovator in NYny has a very cool post at JoelonSoftware. Joel has launched Steve Gillmor the Disovery Engine, a new wetware platform and posted an operating manual in his blog entry. I’m blown away both by the fact that... Steve Gillmor is a Discovery Engine

Joel Spolsky, a software innovator in NYny has a very cool post at JoelonSoftware. Joel has launched Steve Gillmor the Disovery Engine, a new wetware platform and posted an operating manual in his blog entry. I’m blown away both by the fact that…

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